The View on Low-Code From Experts in the Field
Mendix World is chock-full of product updates, success stories and technical deep-dives, but what do experts in the field think about all these announcements?
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hell over one and welcome to mend[00:00:03.680]
ICS live at medics World two point[00:00:05.769]
ill. It is Day four of medics[00:00:07.959]
world, and this is the last[00:00:10.609]
live session that we’re going to do not just[00:00:12.660]
for today, but for medics, world[00:00:14.740]
as a whole. So I’m kind of sad,[00:00:17.000]
but we have some good one[00:00:19.230]
our content for you because going[00:00:21.350]
to talk to a semantics. Experts[00:00:24.620]
who are people in the community[00:00:26.859]
who know exactly how to build APS,[00:00:28.989]
what the best features are and[00:00:31.539]
what use they are for developers.[00:00:33.939]
So what I like to find out from them[00:00:36.250]
is what were their most[00:00:39.299]
interesting announcements that they heard at the[00:00:41.369]
keynote from Johann and Eric?[00:00:43.240]
And what did they think? How did[00:00:45.420]
they think it might help developers[00:00:47.570]
build better solutions,[00:00:49.340]
So to introduce the first speaker,[00:00:51.920]
this is Paul Eaton, and Paul[00:00:54.009]
Eaton is the senior director of BYU[00:00:56.310]
APS at Brigham Young University[00:00:58.549]
in Provo, Utah.[00:01:00.159]
With a student body of over 30,000,[00:01:03.270]
Brigham Young University is one of the largest[00:01:05.349]
private universities in the United States.[00:01:08.409]
Operating like a small city, the[00:01:10.659]
campus has everything from its own healthcare[00:01:12.950]
facilities to police Department.[00:01:15.849]
Now Paul’s division is the custom[00:01:18.019]
software development arm of B. Y. U’s[00:01:20.450]
Central office of I T[00:01:22.739]
and Paul, and his team’s current goals are[00:01:25.260]
to consolidate existing Web[00:01:27.310]
APS from over 13 software[00:01:29.480]
development stacks[00:01:30.760]
to just two[00:01:32.390]
at one of which is medics.[00:01:34.840]
And he wants to improve the user journey[00:01:37.319]
by focusing on implementing business[00:01:39.459]
logic and presentation[00:01:41.480]
instead of technology.[00:01:43.439]
Paul, welcome to the session[00:01:46.340]
high on. Thanks for having me.[00:01:48.239]
Absolutely. It’s a great for you to be here[00:01:50.459]
on. I think we’re gonna have a really[00:01:52.670]
interesting a conversation, right? Right[00:01:54.680]
now, I think my[00:01:56.540]
second guessed is Norbu,[00:01:58.620]
a cell from a ver tre[00:02:00.939]
and nor WSL is the process[00:02:03.079]
engineering lead at a Virtual Corp[00:02:05.599]
She has almost 10 years of experience in[00:02:07.799]
low code and BPM platforms,[00:02:10.139]
and she transformed herself along[00:02:12.520]
with a ver tre[00:02:13.659]
ah virtuous new vision[00:02:16.090]
three years ago.[00:02:17.460]
And she was the first person who joined over Tre[00:02:19.840]
with a low code and BPM experience[00:02:22.400]
to start the initiative of transforming[00:02:25.080]
of rituals, product from traditional[00:02:27.479]
coating to mend ICS, to simplify[00:02:30.099]
building product journeys[00:02:32.150]
for their customers and starting[00:02:34.270]
a new world of innovation[00:02:36.930]
with medics. So nor welcome[00:02:39.349]
to the session[00:02:41.719]
age A young thanks for hosting[00:02:44.110]
me. Just a willy.[00:02:47.250]
And where you were you calling in from?[00:02:49.449]
Because I’m in the Netherlands policy in the U.[00:02:51.590]
S. I’m I’m[00:02:53.650]
from I’m Jordan.[00:02:55.189]
So excellent. Yes, very[00:02:57.330]
still has multiple[00:02:58.990]
our headquarters and you, us and we have[00:03:01.080]
regional office. So India, Jordan,[00:03:03.110]
I’m in Jordan.[00:03:04.830]
That’s excellent.[00:03:06.699]
So our third guest of the day[00:03:08.949]
is Philip Lutz from Seaman’s.[00:03:11.430]
Philip is an I T partner for[00:03:13.490]
the business unit Motion Control[00:03:16.039]
of Seamen’s Digital Industries.[00:03:18.310]
He is responsible for the low code strategy[00:03:20.849]
of over a dozen factories across[00:03:22.949]
the globe.[00:03:24.039]
Motion Control produces motors,[00:03:26.439]
converters, CNC systems[00:03:28.639]
and industry software and has[00:03:30.870]
over 15,000 employees[00:03:32.990]
in different locations. Go. Going[00:03:35.050]
from Mexico to China[00:03:37.539]
on Phillip’s job is to establish[00:03:39.780]
medics as the go to app[00:03:41.990]
development[00:03:42.939]
platform for any new internal[00:03:45.580]
digitalization projects.[00:03:47.889]
So his[00:03:49.719]
mission is to make fast, scalable[00:03:52.180]
and secure app development accessible[00:03:54.460]
for anyone in his business unit.[00:03:57.139]
From hard core software engineers to[00:03:59.560]
citizen develop developers.[00:04:02.639]
Yeah, a pleasure to be here. Thanks, young.[00:04:05.250]
Welcome to the session. Good to have you all. Thank[00:04:07.689]
you so much.[00:04:08.729]
Um, I hope you’ve been following along[00:04:10.849]
with all the life sessions and the on demand[00:04:13.129]
sessions.[00:04:14.240]
Um[00:04:15.439]
I mean,[00:04:16.370]
it’s so much content. I think[00:04:18.459]
we’re gonna need another month that you just get through[00:04:20.519]
all of it.[00:04:22.050]
Not to say, Yeah, you will take a while, but[00:04:24.329]
you couldn’t see all that[00:04:26.660]
possible to watch all of them. The day has 24[00:04:28.759]
hours no more.[00:04:30.139]
No. Right. Yeah.[00:04:32.639]
Um, right. So[00:04:35.339]
I’m really curious. I[00:04:37.750]
know that you’ve watched the keynote.[00:04:40.089]
Um, and we announced 20[00:04:42.610]
new[00:04:43.639]
products and features. This is,[00:04:45.819]
you know, taking it to a whole new level.[00:04:48.209]
Um, and I’m really curious about what your[00:04:50.329]
top three[00:04:51.819]
new capabilities Air announced. Features[00:04:54.079]
are, Paul, if you can kick that[00:04:56.290]
off. Yeah. You bet. If[00:04:58.319]
you had asked me what my top eight features[00:05:00.339]
was, that would be a lot easier than top three,[00:05:02.670]
but I think everybody is excited[00:05:05.009]
about data hub. I haven’t talked to anyone who[00:05:07.100]
isn’t excited about data hub.[00:05:09.370]
Um, I don’t want to talk about workflow[00:05:11.870]
because newer thinks he’s going to take that[00:05:14.019]
one. But from[00:05:16.060]
my developers, they’re really excited about[00:05:18.550]
the element level conflict resolution[00:05:20.620]
in Studio Pro,[00:05:21.920]
especially when that’s a conflict[00:05:24.490]
at the[00:05:25.370]
domain level layer.[00:05:27.029]
Whenever that happens, it’s a huge[00:05:29.339]
amount of time to fix[00:05:30.970]
so super excited about that.[00:05:33.639]
And, uh, I also like to mention[00:05:35.800]
get support[00:05:37.139]
only because,[00:05:38.439]
um when you have a large number[00:05:40.550]
of files to commit, like you just[00:05:42.910]
imported a big module or something,[00:05:45.339]
trying to[00:05:47.139]
wait for subversion[00:05:49.430]
is really hard to justify, you know.[00:05:51.709]
But I’ve seen in my experience with[00:05:53.829]
git it’s much better at handling large[00:05:56.040]
number lower numbers of files when you commit.[00:05:58.160]
So I’m looking forward to that performance boost.[00:06:00.939]
Awesome.[00:06:01.839]
So, Philip, what about you?[00:06:04.189]
To me as well, Data Hub. This is[00:06:06.819]
in my day to day work. I think it’s the[00:06:08.870]
biggest lever that I have[00:06:10.560]
with taking so much time for data integration.[00:06:12.689]
We have so many silos, so many[00:06:14.740]
data lakes that are not accessible, really.[00:06:17.519]
And, um[00:06:19.209]
and he’s looking forward to working with Data Hub,[00:06:22.389]
also workflow, but nor as[00:06:24.480]
polarities. That stage is yours with this[00:06:26.610]
one, Um, and also[00:06:28.819]
for me, for from an industrial point[00:06:30.920]
of view, Mannix on edge is[00:06:33.709]
a big thing[00:06:34.740]
Another. This doesn’t seem to interesting[00:06:37.160]
maybe to a company who doesn’t[00:06:39.680]
produce. But,[00:06:41.540]
um, there’s so much[00:06:43.569]
data, we have machines that produce[00:06:45.959]
thousands off data points every[00:06:48.000]
second. And if you multiply[00:06:50.339]
that with,[00:06:51.769]
I don’t know, 100 machines per factory[00:06:53.939]
and then you have 15 factories. So you get[00:06:56.279]
in the billions and in the trillions[00:06:58.449]
every day,[00:06:59.399]
and you can just push that into the cloud[00:07:01.709]
all the time and process it there.[00:07:04.139]
So you need the edge, and you need to[00:07:06.660]
you need the processing power there. And[00:07:08.810]
if you can use men dicks to make that more[00:07:10.930]
accessible[00:07:11.899]
to make that less cryptic for four people[00:07:14.160]
and to really accelerate that, it’s[00:07:16.250]
gonna be[00:07:17.740]
there’s millions and billions in this[00:07:20.120]
for us speaking in money terms[00:07:22.149]
and from a[00:07:23.089]
developer point of view of this is just it’s gonna[00:07:25.209]
be so much fun to to work with mandates[00:07:27.370]
on all levels, not only on the cloud level,[00:07:30.509]
I thought it.[00:07:31.439]
Yeah, I think that’s a very interesting feature,[00:07:33.480]
and we’re definitely going to go.[00:07:35.500]
Ah, a little bit more in depth on[00:07:37.550]
that. So ah, nor what[00:07:39.970]
are your top three features[00:07:42.069]
I’ve already heard one.[00:07:44.350]
Yeah,[00:07:45.529]
Um, so I was from development[00:07:47.750]
perspective debugging and under floor[00:07:50.110]
on, and I will measure it with[00:07:52.290]
solving conflicts.[00:07:53.699]
It’s, ah, good thing for in development,[00:07:56.939]
uh, our life, daily[00:07:58.970]
life work. Um, that[00:08:01.199]
I help is great and seems what[00:08:03.230]
I’m saying. We need[00:08:04.980]
to see how it’s going to work with[00:08:07.149]
our industrial ah,[00:08:09.350]
business and all of that[00:08:11.139]
while I like working on integration[00:08:13.250]
and doing them well myself here[00:08:15.740]
as something interesting[00:08:17.500]
workflow exists for me is the best. I[00:08:19.870]
think that’s what leverage Min Dixon[00:08:22.279]
in a way that[00:08:23.689]
you don’t need to integrate with any back and[00:08:25.860]
ppm service. You will have it[00:08:27.860]
your own.[00:08:31.319]
Okay. But he lost. Ah, we lost[00:08:33.330]
nor there for a bit. So we’ll, uh, we’ll come back[00:08:35.440]
to your reconnects.[00:08:39.159]
I think you’re back.[00:08:40.940]
Okay.[00:08:42.090]
When you’re talking about[00:08:44.409]
yeah. No. Where is no problem?[00:08:46.690]
Talking about connecting to back and system[00:08:49.169]
Yes, s sorry. Start off. Maybe[00:08:51.950]
connecting index two ppm[00:08:54.210]
back in the system. We will,[00:08:56.419]
uh we will have everything in one place,[00:08:58.690]
and that’s what help. They’re also[00:09:01.429]
expand the clients. That may[00:09:03.519]
could be the one ppm[00:09:05.649]
so[00:09:06.889]
that would be rock flows.[00:09:08.740]
So that would be something I think it will add[00:09:10.769]
to the business that meat for[00:09:13.440]
utility. And also, um,[00:09:16.230]
it will it will[00:09:18.320]
leverage in new customers and[00:09:20.580]
form index[00:09:21.929]
the same way.[00:09:23.710]
Yeah, Yeah, totally agree.[00:09:25.830]
Yeah.[00:09:26.840]
So if you’re watching this, you have any questions[00:09:29.049]
for Paul or for Philip Or four, Nor[00:09:31.929]
go to the MX W live channel[00:09:34.250]
on medics role to dot slack[00:09:36.399]
dot com and hit that lightning icon[00:09:38.690]
and submit your question and[00:09:40.879]
yeah, we’ll ask your question live. So[00:09:42.980]
if you want to talk about ask questions about data[00:09:45.230]
Hub how university was using this[00:09:47.539]
or how industrial companies are[00:09:49.549]
you using this or ah,[00:09:51.990]
medics, customer and partner like like[00:09:54.230]
ever tra[00:09:55.159]
Uh, yeah, go ahead and start. So be your questions[00:09:58.139]
now to kick it off. All[00:10:00.269]
of you has said one set[00:10:02.720]
the same thing and that was data[00:10:04.940]
hub. Obviously, this is a huge[00:10:07.389]
thing, and we’ve actually[00:10:09.500]
mentioned it at Medics world last[00:10:11.909]
year when we announced that we were working[00:10:13.990]
on it. Now,[00:10:15.740]
um, we’ve being doing a lot of[00:10:17.759]
development in the past year,[00:10:19.940]
and ah,[00:10:21.379]
it was mostly behind closed doors with[00:10:23.629]
a number of selected[00:10:25.340]
partners and customers to find out[00:10:27.450]
how we can best built[00:10:29.610]
this data platform[00:10:32.669]
to make to make it the best solution[00:10:35.289]
for customers.[00:10:36.340]
Now, I have[00:10:38.360]
heard from reliable sources that[00:10:40.879]
Paul, you have actually being involved[00:10:43.450]
in some of this development and beta[00:10:45.669]
testing. Uh,[00:10:47.740]
how did you get involved in this testing?[00:10:50.840]
Well, I just mentioned to my customer[00:10:53.039]
success manager that I was interested,[00:10:55.740]
and she mentioned that she[00:10:57.919]
might be able to set up some meetings so[00:10:59.929]
we could[00:11:01.110]
talk through where the product waas get my feet[00:11:03.220]
back on it.[00:11:04.440]
And so then I started talking with gay organ[00:11:07.110]
on others, and it was just[00:11:09.269]
a really good experience. I was[00:11:11.309]
able to[00:11:12.340]
explain some of the things from[00:11:14.139]
the university perspectives that they[00:11:17.340]
hadn’t yet considered and give them some[00:11:19.519]
feedback on things that they,[00:11:21.940]
um, we’re already thinking about. So it’s[00:11:24.580]
it’s, uh, been very helpful so far.[00:11:27.539]
So what was your initial idea[00:11:29.820]
and scope for? For data hub?[00:11:31.980]
How did you want to[00:11:33.840]
apply it? In Brigham Young University’s[00:11:36.840]
ah case,[00:11:38.440]
there were two pieces that I would[00:11:40.539]
like data hub to your use cases[00:11:42.700]
I would like to hug, to fix or help with[00:11:45.240]
one is just improve[00:11:47.399]
the time it takes to do integrations[00:11:50.139]
across many different disparate systems.[00:11:52.480]
And I think,[00:11:53.580]
um, medics has hit the nail on the head.[00:11:55.740]
With this,[00:11:56.840]
you can[00:11:57.970]
use all of the[00:12:00.139]
almost all, if not all, of[00:12:02.159]
the performance improvement features[00:12:04.769]
developer performance improvement features like[00:12:06.830]
the productivity features[00:12:08.639]
of men, dicks[00:12:10.490]
with external systems and were pointed as[00:12:12.490]
if it was a local[00:12:15.070]
table where local entity,[00:12:17.440]
um, being able to put[00:12:19.610]
in a data grid just just Aziza Lee[00:12:21.710]
with a local table as you would have an external table[00:12:24.360]
being of the associate[00:12:26.399]
entities both,[00:12:28.950]
you know, in your own APS database[00:12:31.399]
and remote[00:12:32.769]
is just a huge win,[00:12:34.570]
um, and will speed up the development process[00:12:36.830]
a lot. The other thing that slows down our[00:12:38.909]
developers is our information governance[00:12:40.940]
process.[00:12:42.279]
That process is very laborious.[00:12:44.620]
Um, although the people[00:12:46.740]
of BYU have been helping a ton[00:12:48.970]
to improve it over time,[00:12:50.649]
it’s still tanks. A quite a long time. So[00:12:53.639]
we’ve been talking a lot with[00:12:55.960]
the product team at medics[00:12:58.289]
with data hub[00:13:00.259]
on how to improve that process and make[00:13:02.460]
it work. There’s some things that I think[00:13:05.639]
are just difficult on. Bond[00:13:07.899]
medics will do[00:13:09.539]
a great job at[00:13:11.090]
making it better, but I don’t know if there’s[00:13:13.490]
some things that are just difficult to[00:13:16.110]
to do.[00:13:17.090]
And, um,[00:13:18.600]
neither I nor the product team knew how to make them[00:13:20.970]
much better. But, you know, we can get it. Is best[00:13:23.269]
is you can[00:13:24.840]
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.[00:13:26.500]
I’d love to hear more on that. Um,[00:13:28.529]
but I I would like to ask Philip because[00:13:31.039]
Philip, you’re you’re in a very different[00:13:33.129]
type of situation, right? You’re working[00:13:35.240]
in an industrial environment.[00:13:37.450]
Um, but you’re trying to help[00:13:39.629]
people automate and digitalize things.[00:13:42.419]
How do you see?[00:13:44.179]
Ah, data hub helping[00:13:46.519]
you in this case?[00:13:49.440]
I mean, you have to look at the size[00:13:51.509]
off Siemens. We have 350,000[00:13:54.070]
employees, and where we have,[00:13:56.080]
we’re in so many different market fields[00:13:58.129]
that range from I don’t know, motors, converters[00:14:00.669]
and[00:14:01.639]
software as we do. Then there’s trains.[00:14:04.580]
People actually trains. We have consulted.[00:14:07.000]
We have healthcare like X ray machines. We have[00:14:09.049]
also a banking division,[00:14:10.940]
so there’s stuff that everybody uses[00:14:13.379]
like the corporate directory.[00:14:15.240]
Um, but this also stuff that[00:14:17.539]
maybe only your operate[00:14:20.049]
your your company within the company[00:14:22.169]
is using. Then there stuff that only your business unit[00:14:24.330]
is using and despondent on your factory[00:14:26.669]
or your office or even your team only yourself[00:14:28.789]
it’s using. So this produces[00:14:31.139]
a lot of data and into chaos, and it’s very[00:14:33.730]
complex.[00:14:35.440]
Um,[00:14:36.340]
so everything that takes out this complexity[00:14:39.009]
and makes it visual[00:14:40.940]
is good. So the more complex, the more[00:14:42.960]
value you have to a visualization off.[00:14:45.360]
The relationships and data have offices[00:14:47.419]
that yeah, and[00:14:49.759]
it also offers. Yes, also[00:14:52.120]
offers, like a semantic layer for us to[00:14:54.230]
search the data. And so we are[00:14:56.250]
really know what does the data mean?[00:14:58.759]
That is something that our business colleagues struggle[00:15:01.070]
that are, Let’s call them citizen[00:15:03.139]
developers[00:15:04.299]
because they know that we have the state of somewhere.[00:15:06.519]
And then let’s pull it from there. But what is the source system[00:15:08.970]
and what is the source system of this one?[00:15:10.879]
So[00:15:11.840]
the data takes like a little[00:15:13.870]
trek through the whole company, and[00:15:15.909]
then, at some point,[00:15:17.000]
it, um, arrives at one[00:15:19.080]
person. But that doesn’t mean it is the correct data[00:15:21.230]
because it has been changed so many times.[00:15:23.639]
So if we have, if we[00:15:25.690]
use data hub in the right way and[00:15:27.779]
we have, like, a single source of truth[00:15:29.940]
for the data that we offer there,[00:15:32.039]
of course, it has to be governed properly. But if[00:15:34.179]
if we have this yeah, and this is validated,[00:15:37.090]
then this is going to increase[00:15:39.350]
the speed off app development, especially with[00:15:41.450]
citizen developers. Extremely.[00:15:44.240]
And[00:15:45.629]
we need the citizen developers because[00:15:47.879]
I t budget is limited as well.[00:15:50.340]
And the requirement list is very[00:15:52.570]
long. So we need everyone can[00:15:54.570]
code. Well, yeah, exactly.[00:15:56.750]
You want to make it simpler for[00:15:59.019]
people to access the right kind of data so[00:16:01.340]
that it helps with[00:16:03.490]
the governance of that data[00:16:05.909]
and ah, yeah, making it as[00:16:08.480]
a single managed source instead[00:16:10.730]
of all kinds of random sources throughout.[00:16:13.279]
So that’s Ah, yeah, that that’s very important[00:16:18.440]
dinner. I’m very curious about how[00:16:20.529]
you see the benefit of data hub for[00:16:22.909]
for a Virtua.[00:16:25.940]
Um,[00:16:27.409]
definitely. This is something we need like[00:16:29.629]
to put our hands on and see if[00:16:32.899]
how that will help us as utility.[00:16:36.779]
Um, like as a company that[00:16:39.000]
provides product for utilities[00:16:42.029]
company. Um,[00:16:44.139]
our integration. We have a lot[00:16:46.169]
of integration, but ah, we[00:16:48.279]
have It is. Maybe it could be that[00:16:50.379]
the base for the clients, it’s, um[00:16:52.620]
we have a 20 year,[00:16:54.169]
so we need to check that.[00:16:56.350]
Andi.[00:16:57.539]
Also, I was reading few things, but[00:16:59.690]
seems it will pee in next releases.[00:17:01.870]
It will not be in Peter that to do something[00:17:04.329]
on our own inside that I help[00:17:07.140]
to put our sports kind of service that we[00:17:09.220]
need Teoh[00:17:11.039]
get. Um,[00:17:13.039]
So, yeah, this is something I[00:17:15.220]
the team members is excited about,[00:17:17.309]
But[00:17:18.440]
it’s something we we need to check how[00:17:20.740]
that will help us.[00:17:22.339]
Yeah. So basically, you’re hoping that it will make[00:17:25.390]
the integration on all of your projects[00:17:28.009]
simpler to manage and implement.[00:17:30.630]
Exactly. Yes, because the base layer[00:17:32.990]
off our back and this will[00:17:35.019]
be different from client to client.[00:17:38.140]
Yeah, definitely.[00:17:39.740]
So, um, you know,[00:17:41.869]
got a question coming in here from, And[00:17:44.400]
the question is, uh[00:17:46.140]
yeah, all of you’re looking forward to all all of[00:17:48.150]
these new features.[00:17:50.029]
But how often do you actually[00:17:52.420]
update your existing applications[00:17:55.140]
to make use of all these new features.[00:17:58.390]
Paul, if you I believe BYU[00:18:00.619]
has a very large application[00:18:03.349]
landscape. How do you deal with that?[00:18:05.940]
Yeah, we have about[00:18:07.849]
17 production systems today.[00:18:10.680]
Um, so[00:18:12.349]
updating it is quite important[00:18:14.740]
to us.[00:18:15.700]
Um, we haven’t mandated[00:18:17.789]
it yet, so we’re talking to all of the different[00:18:19.930]
teams, and we’re telling them that the best practice[00:18:22.180]
in order for you to not[00:18:24.240]
have a huge update project to do[00:18:26.380]
in the future is trying to be[00:18:29.039]
on the[00:18:31.339]
next to latest version, if[00:18:33.519]
possible. If you have to wait, you can.[00:18:35.910]
You know, there’s no problem with staying on anything.[00:18:38.109]
For example, in the eight Dato,[00:18:40.240]
um, family, your range.[00:18:42.670]
But my teams like to try[00:18:44.970]
out than newest version. And,[00:18:47.549]
um, let that sit for about a month or so.[00:18:49.829]
And then we try to upgrade our all of our[00:18:52.400]
production systems[00:18:54.289]
within a few months.[00:18:55.670]
Um, when you do it that[00:18:57.690]
quickly,[00:18:58.710]
the upgrade processes and isn’t[00:19:00.720]
very tedious or time consuming,[00:19:03.420]
But if you wait and you have to upgrade[00:19:05.609]
one or more major versions, that’s[00:19:08.089]
that’s gets to be a really hard thing to do.[00:19:11.740]
Plus, you don’t get the benefit of all the new features and the[00:19:13.779]
security enhancements, etcetera. So[00:19:16.039]
Right, Right.[00:19:17.640]
So Ah, nor one of your[00:19:19.779]
favorite features that you mentioned was[00:19:22.000]
workflow.[00:19:23.240]
This is Ah, big thing.[00:19:26.299]
And, you know, we have a question[00:19:28.559]
coming in. What kind of work flows[00:19:30.950]
would you not build with[00:19:33.029]
BPM tool that you do think that you[00:19:35.089]
would be able to build with[00:19:37.089]
medics workflow?[00:19:38.940]
Ah, yeah. This is, uh, since I’m[00:19:41.119]
not tons on yet moment,[00:19:43.299]
except[00:19:44.369]
exactly so but, um[00:19:47.539]
um,[00:19:49.240]
it’s something that excited to see[00:19:51.450]
work flows with, um, with[00:19:53.839]
micro flows with non flows How these[00:19:56.430]
three components will work with the pages.[00:19:58.670]
What kind of I saw the demo[00:20:01.079]
at, but ah, putting hands[00:20:03.180]
on his different.[00:20:06.039]
There are few things it could[00:20:08.039]
be not replace, but as a[00:20:10.079]
feature, like it’s working and[00:20:12.460]
what we have now. But one[00:20:14.640]
of our product is the back[00:20:17.039]
we needed to ah declared with[00:20:19.150]
a ppm engine from the back end[00:20:22.000]
for special cases.[00:20:24.269]
Exception management we needed[00:20:26.230]
So[00:20:27.839]
it could be something we can use[00:20:29.869]
the work floor, but yeah,[00:20:31.900]
that’s something we need[00:20:34.039]
to replace with a workflow, so but[00:20:36.130]
it will need some, Ah, studies[00:20:38.339]
on my hands on to some boc[00:20:41.029]
and see if, uh,[00:20:43.339]
that will work. Yeah, but[00:20:46.000]
that’s, um[00:20:47.309]
even like our hr. What?[00:20:49.619]
She wants something to enter time[00:20:51.650]
sheet fast. Okay, we’ll have that.[00:20:53.869]
Once we have the workflow index, I[00:20:55.960]
will do the approval on vacation and[00:20:57.960]
request,[00:20:59.480]
so it will be too leveraged a few things,[00:21:02.819]
and we can do in micro flows in a way,[00:21:05.190]
but work flows and above a reassignment,[00:21:07.210]
all of that[00:21:09.130]
will be something.[00:21:10.950]
And it makes it easier to brings it closer[00:21:12.990]
to the actual experience[00:21:15.230]
of how someone uses the application.[00:21:18.099]
Exactly. Yeah, right.[00:21:20.140]
Um So, Philip, you[00:21:22.140]
mentioned that Siemens has a[00:21:24.160]
lot of different sources and[00:21:26.319]
that you’re looking forward to using medics data[00:21:28.599]
to connect them. Can you name some of[00:21:30.680]
those data sources that you’re,[00:21:32.859]
uh, you’re already connecting[00:21:35.279]
to and how difficult[00:21:37.349]
or easy was it to integrate with[00:21:39.380]
that? Okay,[00:21:41.740]
um,[00:21:42.940]
you have to see that from two perspectives.[00:21:45.549]
How easy is it to connect with men? Dicks? And[00:21:47.599]
the other one is how easy is it to actually go productive[00:21:50.069]
with this system? Because there’s a lot[00:21:52.089]
of governance processes on this, But[00:21:54.549]
maybe just to name a few we’ve[00:21:56.660]
connected s a p in various ways. We connected[00:21:59.009]
it just through ah,[00:22:00.950]
through a gateway with no data service.[00:22:03.440]
Then we connected sap, Hana[00:22:06.210]
just putting or data services on views[00:22:08.849]
that worked out very well in the integration[00:22:10.980]
was easy with the SAPI[00:22:13.099]
module with the old data connector. That is[00:22:15.140]
fairly simple. Once you’ve done it once,[00:22:17.700]
um then we’ve connected team center,[00:22:20.059]
which is our appeal m system product lifecycle[00:22:22.329]
management.[00:22:23.369]
And so we can get three D models into[00:22:25.460]
medics there. Um, with the[00:22:27.839]
with the connectors. We can’t use the standard connectors[00:22:30.029]
because we have a highly customers system there.[00:22:33.240]
Um, but still, we have interface.[00:22:35.460]
He takes care of that.[00:22:37.339]
And we’ve connected Oracle[00:22:39.470]
data basis. My[00:22:41.950]
sequel, sir. Servers we’ve[00:22:44.230]
connected[00:22:45.539]
also, mind sphere, I don’t know if this is[00:22:48.160]
something that everybody knows about is a[00:22:50.180]
seaman’s industry cloud where we use I.[00:22:52.640]
They were used for i o t.[00:22:54.630]
And we’ve connected that with MQ TT,[00:22:57.940]
then also different rest ful services.[00:23:02.039]
I know that someone has done something with with speech[00:23:04.380]
to text, but I can’t keep up. Keep track of all[00:23:06.529]
the use cases.[00:23:08.750]
So you want to get once you get going,[00:23:11.150]
you know, the ideas go very fast.[00:23:13.670]
The thing is, it seized.[00:23:15.799]
The bottleneck in this is not[00:23:17.880]
Mannix. It’s easy to connect.[00:23:20.119]
It’s easy to use the connectors. The bottleneck[00:23:22.369]
with us is through the, um,[00:23:24.940]
security assessments. It[00:23:26.960]
is getting the firewalls viable,[00:23:29.849]
rules implemented. It is getting[00:23:32.009]
everybody on board to really[00:23:34.769]
make their data accessible[00:23:37.039]
because that can be something. People are the[00:23:39.599]
sometimes the problem because they don’t want to give[00:23:41.750]
out the data because there[00:23:43.430]
that is the value they bring to the company. And they[00:23:45.519]
want to keep track on who[00:23:47.640]
who can get their data and they wouldn’t[00:23:49.900]
want to charge internally.[00:23:52.039]
So that is something that is politics within[00:23:54.130]
the corporation that you maybe[00:23:56.329]
won’t have in a smaller,[00:23:57.839]
um, company. And that has nothing to do with men.[00:23:59.930]
Knicks itself.[00:24:01.509]
Usually we’re done with the connection we contested[00:24:03.829]
locally. That is one of the great things with men Mexican[00:24:05.920]
just tested locally on your own PC.[00:24:08.450]
If it’s[00:24:09.450]
connected within the firewalls[00:24:11.640]
and then you just have to wait for the other,[00:24:13.670]
the other processes.[00:24:15.240]
Right? Right.[00:24:17.230]
So Ah,[00:24:18.259]
I’ve got another question coming in, and this[00:24:20.440]
is this one’s for you, Paul.[00:24:22.460]
This is about the university and Andrew[00:24:24.730]
students.[00:24:25.839]
You know, medics is so accessible. And[00:24:27.930]
I know that you’re doing you know, you’re helping students,[00:24:30.309]
and you’re doing, uh, meet ups as well.[00:24:32.440]
Virtual meetups now,[00:24:34.140]
to give people, you know, students a chance[00:24:36.230]
to learn from each other and demo things.[00:24:39.140]
Um,[00:24:40.240]
but question is, will you allow students[00:24:42.289]
to develop applications so they can[00:24:44.289]
automate their own life? Especially[00:24:46.349]
the new announcements? Things become much easier.[00:24:48.940]
Um,[00:24:50.319]
do students[00:24:51.650]
build help build production APS[00:24:53.849]
Do they have access to those? Resource[00:24:56.230]
is, or how does that work?[00:24:58.539]
Great question.[00:24:59.880]
Um, medics actually provides.[00:25:02.470]
Ah, lot of free resource is for people[00:25:04.660]
to use today that[00:25:07.039]
you know the way you doesn’t even have to pay for.[00:25:09.150]
So what we tell the students today[00:25:11.250]
is use um,[00:25:13.440]
you know, Senate for a free medics account on hold[00:25:15.619]
up medics dot com,[00:25:17.240]
use studio pro or studio to develop[00:25:19.500]
your application, and then you can deploy it to[00:25:21.759]
the free version of medics cloud.[00:25:23.839]
And you have everything you need there[00:25:25.839]
in order to automate your own personal[00:25:28.269]
processes. If you’d like Teoh[00:25:30.910]
work on a production system[00:25:33.019]
than you need to[00:25:34.259]
be on a team that that has[00:25:36.329]
a production system on their road map[00:25:38.539]
that manages it,[00:25:40.319]
there’s a lot more that goes along with a production[00:25:42.769]
system in terms of long term Ain’t mints,[00:25:44.819]
etcetera[00:25:45.880]
that you need more than just developers[00:25:48.210]
in order to maintain any new product unders to project[00:25:50.670]
managers who need[00:25:52.039]
you, I specialists, etcetera.[00:25:54.299]
Um, so[00:25:57.200]
if they’re interested in making production, APs, we[00:25:59.349]
welcome them. Teoh sign up for one[00:26:01.410]
of the jobs[00:26:02.589]
that we have for all of the students to[00:26:04.609]
work on our production and accepts. There’s[00:26:06.930]
a lot of those as well,[00:26:08.880]
Excellent. That’s that’s really great to see. They[00:26:10.890]
give them that opportunity, and if it’s a good[00:26:13.109]
enough, then, yeah, you’re gonna[00:26:15.140]
go ahead with that. That’s great De Fisher.[00:26:18.039]
Now we’ve talked a lot about data hub[00:26:20.309]
and workflow, but there’s a lot more right.[00:26:23.000]
One of the things you mentioned Philip was[00:26:25.079]
Ah, I think you pull. And both you[00:26:28.420]
mentioned get support.[00:26:30.839]
Um, this is a big thing. I was[00:26:33.019]
watching the life chats and everyone went[00:26:35.119]
nuts when get get was mentioned.[00:26:37.730]
Ah,[00:26:39.140]
what’s so great about this?[00:26:42.440]
Do you wanna start, Philip?[00:26:44.009]
Sure. Um[00:26:45.700]
I mean, first of[00:26:47.700]
all, we have ah, working[00:26:49.710]
large and scalable gets[00:26:51.829]
instance in our company that were already using.[00:26:54.400]
So usually the[00:26:55.819]
what we have to use is this one.[00:26:58.170]
And so far, we couldn’t use it with men[00:27:00.220]
dicks because, well, there was no support for it. So[00:27:02.640]
maybe our cloud platform specialists[00:27:05.130]
are going to connect us with[00:27:07.740]
without platform now, which is great[00:27:10.009]
for from a governance point of view[00:27:12.140]
also, I mean, the performance of get[00:27:14.289]
It’s just so much better. It’s,[00:27:17.039]
I suppose that is going to be faster to[00:27:19.119]
deploy. Um[00:27:20.740]
and[00:27:21.650]
I’ve I’ve said to people who have been[00:27:23.869]
you with medics[00:27:25.740]
we should be careful with the merging.[00:27:27.829]
We have to do that together because[00:27:30.720]
this is where the most errors and conflicts are[00:27:32.769]
going to happen.[00:27:34.579]
And[00:27:36.829]
in every project, at some point you’re going to have[00:27:38.920]
a conflict that you have to you have to open the[00:27:40.940]
tortoise spn and then it’s, um it[00:27:42.970]
Zwiers them.[00:27:44.299]
It’s just not that user friendly is arrested[00:27:46.599]
and as user friendly as the rest of medics[00:27:49.240]
and with especially with the[00:27:52.539]
the merge conflict resolution on[00:27:54.660]
attribute level in the domain model or in[00:27:56.660]
the micro flows and everything[00:27:58.849]
that will make it just[00:28:00.519]
much faster. And I think we’re going to[00:28:03.190]
have a lot of fun with it.[00:28:05.740]
Yeah, I don’t know that. Especially the performance[00:28:08.430]
enhancements with get,[00:28:10.339]
um, being able Teoh. I don’t know if it’s going[00:28:12.410]
to commit locally, like is normal[00:28:14.460]
with git or if you’re just gonna do a[00:28:16.500]
automatic local commit and then a push.[00:28:19.029]
But, um, in either case, I[00:28:21.099]
think we’ll see some speed ups over sir[00:28:23.160]
versions of virgins.[00:28:25.039]
Feels like it.[00:28:26.359]
The more files you put into it, the slower against.[00:28:28.819]
Obviously that’ll happen with get us well, but I think[00:28:30.990]
the speed at which it slows down[00:28:33.339]
if that makes any sense, will be less.[00:28:35.539]
Um, yeah, the volume. You’ll also see[00:28:37.589]
that is, uh well,[00:28:39.779]
the element level conflict resolution,[00:28:41.990]
which I’m assuming it was easier[00:28:44.099]
to implement because of get,[00:28:45.769]
um would be[00:28:47.789]
will be a huge benefit for us as well.[00:28:50.410]
We also have a[00:28:52.450]
A, um,[00:28:53.740]
not only and BYU wide, but[00:28:56.009]
beware is part of a system called the Church Educational[00:28:58.420]
System. And we have sister schools as[00:29:00.480]
well. So sometimes we we[00:29:02.759]
have systems that we purchase altogether.[00:29:04.799]
And in this case, we’ve purchased[00:29:07.359]
get hope. So we have a get up enterprise[00:29:09.410]
license that we all use[00:29:11.240]
and that, um,[00:29:14.240]
will allow us to benefit[00:29:16.309]
to put all the medics things into all of the processes[00:29:18.779]
that are already embedded in the gift.[00:29:20.789]
Um, systems that have repositories[00:29:23.259]
and get so[00:29:24.450]
excited to[00:29:26.140]
allow us to take advantage[00:29:28.140]
of those just like all the other custom built systems.[00:29:31.339]
Excellent.[00:29:32.339]
Yeah, I think it opened up. Simply[00:29:34.500]
opens up more opportunities, right. Makes the developers[00:29:36.559]
life easier.[00:29:38.089]
Um, so nor I have a question[00:29:40.430]
for you.[00:29:41.509]
Uh, in his keynote. Yo, one was talking about[00:29:44.210]
medics assist. And now the new medics[00:29:46.630]
assist. Performance bought.[00:29:49.359]
Are is ever truly using[00:29:51.549]
that in development. Are are you using those[00:29:53.589]
kind of bots and ai[00:29:55.700]
assistance[00:29:56.859]
in your development projects?[00:29:59.930]
So, yeah, we use them[00:30:02.150]
in some level, But what[00:30:04.289]
I read the[00:30:05.509]
I watch a little bit from the demo after[00:30:07.619]
the keynote.[00:30:08.769]
One of the things that we faced on one[00:30:10.930]
of them index versions was some slowness[00:30:13.089]
happening on[00:30:14.450]
when we turned the i e. On[00:30:16.950]
but the Yeah,[00:30:19.440]
this is something good that now we[00:30:21.670]
we can know from the I,[00:30:23.859]
um, the performance on[00:30:26.029]
and[00:30:27.069]
it’s already solved. So, yeah, I’m[00:30:29.190]
looking forward to check that because[00:30:31.279]
before Mrs some, it’s a key for[00:30:33.569]
the success of the project on[00:30:35.670]
we pay attention would be built our[00:30:37.819]
project that it’s[00:30:39.619]
yes, working on 10 user,[00:30:41.730]
but it’s need to work at the same level[00:30:44.009]
for ah, 1000[00:30:46.650]
user at the same time. So[00:30:48.900]
this is something[00:30:50.579]
it’s always the customer also[00:30:52.930]
or the plant. Um,[00:30:55.539]
it’s important key to the success of[00:30:57.630]
the project.[00:30:58.940]
Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And,[00:31:01.019]
um, you know all these all this automation[00:31:03.490]
and abstraction also makes it easier for[00:31:06.109]
less technical people to join[00:31:08.470]
the development.[00:31:09.640]
And, you know, in the past year,[00:31:12.130]
we’ve been talking a lot about citizen development.[00:31:15.240]
Is that something that a[00:31:17.240]
virtue is also doing? Sorry. Involving[00:31:19.279]
more business people into[00:31:21.349]
your development projects,[00:31:23.640]
So yeah,[00:31:24.920]
at some level now. Yeah, a lot of[00:31:27.049]
product owners. Now they are interested[00:31:29.400]
to make some changes on some level.[00:31:32.180]
We are fine, um,[00:31:34.640]
to let them to build a future by[00:31:36.839]
its own. It’s good[00:31:40.039]
we talk,[00:31:40.930]
even the q A like everyone in[00:31:42.990]
a virtual gnome index, like even finance,[00:31:45.579]
which are so all[00:31:47.930]
of us, Um, we know[00:31:50.079]
we speak the same language with B o[00:31:52.519]
ridicule with business. What’s[00:31:54.549]
micro floored? Spatial What domain[00:31:56.920]
model. So this is something good?[00:31:59.019]
Um Onda We[00:32:01.589]
are looking forward for the p[00:32:03.660]
o, the product owners or business[00:32:06.390]
to be more involved in our[00:32:08.420]
next future product on[00:32:10.460]
to be more hands on. But because[00:32:12.500]
of time, sometimes, like, they barely[00:32:14.720]
have time to do their job, do[00:32:16.799]
our job. So but yeah, this is something.[00:32:19.240]
But when you speak, we speak the same language,[00:32:21.779]
right? Yeah, I think I think that kind[00:32:23.839]
of goes back toe. What Philip said earlier[00:32:26.720]
in a lot of cases is the people who have[00:32:28.829]
to get used to a different process in a different[00:32:30.940]
way of working.[00:32:32.140]
And once you understand that[00:32:34.289]
once you have the common understanding[00:32:36.420]
it makes, it makes things so much easier[00:32:39.099]
to get done because you understand what[00:32:41.109]
you’re expecting from each other[00:32:42.650]
on how far you can go, right?[00:32:46.380]
Eso[00:32:47.940]
Philip, you mentioned that medics on edge[00:32:50.470]
is[00:32:51.319]
in one of your top three. Um,[00:32:54.329]
but no one else mentioned this. Why[00:32:56.450]
is medics on edge so important for[00:32:58.450]
you? And, uh, your[00:33:00.980]
seaman’s at the seams applications[00:33:02.990]
that you’re building?[00:33:04.740]
I think the easy answer to this question is[00:33:06.869]
because we produce stuff[00:33:08.839]
and we have a lot off a lot of[00:33:10.880]
machines and a lot of data that comes from them.[00:33:12.920]
And we don’t know what to make from it.[00:33:14.970]
Of course, we can get the overall effectiveness[00:33:17.019]
off machine[00:33:19.269]
or off our production lines. We can get[00:33:21.380]
that from us from several sensors.[00:33:24.039]
Okay, But we don’t really[00:33:26.150]
If we want to go into a mode[00:33:28.339]
where we learn from our data and[00:33:30.670]
not only analyze that we really want to learn[00:33:32.849]
from it and go from[00:33:34.130]
just descriptive too prescriptive,[00:33:36.789]
and maybe just to[00:33:38.650]
avoid failures before they come.[00:33:40.940]
That is something that we cannot do ourselves.[00:33:43.000]
We have to do this using AI[00:33:45.240]
at some point,[00:33:46.839]
and we’re already doing this in smaller scales.[00:33:49.839]
Um,[00:33:51.039]
but always for single machines,[00:33:53.640]
if you want to do that scale that up,[00:33:56.440]
you cannot do that in a single in a single[00:33:58.599]
machine. But you also don’t want to[00:34:00.700]
have this in. Ah ah,[00:34:02.950]
high code[00:34:04.339]
environment for all eternity.[00:34:06.910]
Because in the end, this is going to[00:34:08.949]
become a normal use case for us that[00:34:11.050]
has to be accessible not only for[00:34:13.449]
the[00:34:14.739]
four or five specialists within the[00:34:16.760]
company, but it has to be accessible for[00:34:18.860]
the citizen developers as well.[00:34:20.840]
So right, if we want to.[00:34:22.860]
If we want to process all this data,[00:34:24.949]
we need to have a good edge management[00:34:27.219]
system we need to have,[00:34:29.469]
um we need to make it easy[00:34:31.559]
to really[00:34:34.340]
read this data and process[00:34:36.389]
it and connected to other machines.[00:34:38.500]
We have to make it easy to create models[00:34:40.820]
ai models on on the edge[00:34:42.940]
devices.[00:34:44.039]
And all this is possible right now. You could do[00:34:46.159]
it with python if you want to.[00:34:48.139]
Um, And in the end, maybe for some[00:34:50.440]
self, you will. But for the management[00:34:52.829]
off, all this[00:34:54.289]
medics would be the perfect solution.[00:34:56.590]
And the sooner we start, the sooner we get[00:34:58.750]
everybody used to the same platform,[00:35:01.340]
the sooner we will really reap the benefits[00:35:03.369]
of this. So[00:35:05.480]
I’m sure that the others didn’t[00:35:07.599]
mention that because they have completely different focus.[00:35:10.539]
But[00:35:11.539]
I think men nexus is conquering the[00:35:13.539]
industrial world at some point, and it’s already[00:35:15.719]
starting. And we have so many people[00:35:18.090]
interested in. The topic is only in the[00:35:20.130]
factory in a long and in southern Germany.[00:35:22.659]
Um, we’re starting Ah,[00:35:24.780]
medics learning journey now and 40[00:35:26.820]
people have[00:35:29.039]
have registered for that and they are[00:35:31.159]
going to[00:35:32.079]
learn and self study now and then. We’ll have a lion[00:35:34.210]
stand with people with people from I t judging.[00:35:36.230]
They use cases and there will prepare for them for[00:35:38.250]
a hackathon. So this is something with during with the[00:35:40.349]
businesses, all citizen development,[00:35:42.710]
all in the industrial environment. So it’s[00:35:44.949]
just yeah,[00:35:47.239]
and just for context.[00:35:49.739]
It sounds like you’ve been working with medics[00:35:51.780]
for years and years. Um,[00:35:54.840]
can you can you burst that[00:35:56.949]
bubble for me? How long you[00:35:58.980]
guys been working with medics and setting up a Minnix[00:36:01.099]
team? We started working[00:36:03.369]
on it in[00:36:04.460]
June of last year.[00:36:07.130]
Wow. So within a year[00:36:10.070]
and a couple of months, you’ve got 17[00:36:12.309]
production APS[00:36:13.789]
is that is mad. That[00:36:15.940]
is insane[00:36:17.230]
and awesome. Obviously,[00:36:19.230]
it’s been a fun journey.[00:36:21.889]
So what about you, Philip?[00:36:23.880]
I started with medics in[00:36:26.079]
I think January last year[00:36:28.630]
just start out with this small use case.[00:36:30.920]
And, um,[00:36:32.730]
there was fairly new to cements because[00:36:35.150]
the announcement was, I think in November that we bought[00:36:38.530]
that that mandates was bought by Siemens,[00:36:40.889]
and we didn’t really know what to do with it yet.[00:36:43.380]
And we just started out and had small use[00:36:45.409]
case connecting some stuff. And, um,[00:36:48.530]
it’s been an interesting journey so far because[00:36:51.699]
some people are still doubting that[00:36:54.110]
Mannix is going to be a big part[00:36:56.170]
of the company, and more and more[00:36:58.369]
people are just[00:36:59.849]
slowly adapting it. So it’s more a revolution[00:37:02.440]
from from below,[00:37:04.809]
right? One of years.[00:37:07.329]
Such a small, small time period. And[00:37:09.489]
you have been able to achieve so much.[00:37:11.670]
Um,[00:37:12.650]
I’ll get back to that, by the way. But I have[00:37:14.690]
a question for Nor so you say that everybody[00:37:17.090]
speaks medics.[00:37:18.409]
They speak the same language.[00:37:20.119]
What is the difference? This brings[00:37:22.369]
compared to,[00:37:24.130]
uh,[00:37:25.329]
you know, before you were using men dicks,[00:37:27.829]
how would you, you know,[00:37:30.030]
build APS and communicate[00:37:32.130]
So in my from my previous[00:37:34.460]
loco tp. I’m glad for me. Uh,[00:37:36.809]
okay, so, um, I think[00:37:39.019]
the culture is different now. Um,[00:37:42.130]
before when I started 2011[00:37:44.650]
I’m not at all, but yeah, we[00:37:46.690]
started 2011 with a visi. Um[00:37:49.429]
um,[00:37:50.730]
people was not that interest[00:37:52.909]
Teoh[00:37:54.730]
to be in BPM or what’s ppm.[00:37:57.079]
It was, like maybe to like[00:37:59.449]
especially in the area, like[00:38:02.349]
maybe three companies to companies like[00:38:04.550]
WorldCom ppm tools[00:38:06.320]
on[00:38:09.019]
even the people that working[00:38:11.519]
on the traditional coding, they find[00:38:13.579]
it hard maybe to move[00:38:15.789]
the b m or why I need to move.[00:38:18.070]
Or but now this is a changing.[00:38:20.289]
I think the world[00:38:21.719]
four years ago, since four years ago[00:38:23.900]
it’s changing people[00:38:25.619]
taking the local platform in[00:38:28.030]
different level. I can. I’m happy to see[00:38:31.070]
the local blood from concept is now[00:38:33.130]
accessible, acceptable by[00:38:35.440]
maybe[00:38:36.429]
traditional coding. But they were talking a java[00:38:38.730]
to work on local[00:38:40.920]
on because[00:38:42.719]
also you will have the same experience like you will have[00:38:44.800]
the experience to gain new skills,[00:38:47.519]
and maybe it will work on some customization.[00:38:50.239]
Maybe it’s even so. It’s not just,[00:38:53.000]
ah,[00:38:54.599]
it’s fast, fast development[00:38:56.610]
maintained on the culture[00:38:58.699]
is different[00:39:00.119]
on DA people now is[00:39:02.329]
ah veterans different? So[00:39:05.320]
we Yeah, we didn’t.[00:39:08.820]
It was not completely shifted[00:39:10.989]
from[00:39:12.170]
another platform. Two men[00:39:14.400]
dicks, right years ago?[00:39:16.010]
Yeah, with Verster. I was I started.[00:39:18.190]
I didn’t know Minnix[00:39:21.300]
before. Ever. Tra So, Umberto,[00:39:23.639]
on our see Oprah ships Iranian Matt[00:39:27.159]
Engineering measurement, then yes,[00:39:29.719]
as they want this split this[00:39:31.989]
language across all the breeze or[00:39:34.130]
department.[00:39:35.420]
So this is[00:39:36.650]
this is the difference is how you want[00:39:38.949]
to spread this[00:39:40.820]
to um please, Do you want to be in a specific[00:39:43.150]
department or because[00:39:45.269]
the the point[00:39:47.360]
of flow code[00:39:48.690]
is for people to speak the same thing?[00:39:51.420]
If I were working, going traditional[00:39:53.460]
language? No, I don’t know. What is the class?[00:39:55.900]
What’s abstract? Her function.[00:39:58.269]
We thought when you said this to be Oh[00:40:00.659]
Ah, But when you talk will[00:40:02.949]
be about entity. This microphone would not[00:40:05.090]
be that way. This feature will be different.[00:40:07.820]
This is why it’s gonna be done this way. It[00:40:10.119]
will be done this way. They will[00:40:12.210]
stand what you are seeing.[00:40:13.909]
So this is the difference[00:40:16.130]
between[00:40:17.510]
my best, um, like companies.[00:40:20.110]
Maybe on between a[00:40:22.130]
Vectra and how we[00:40:24.449]
were focusing on everyone.[00:40:26.610]
Do you know, um,[00:40:28.610]
what you are working for? Because this product is[00:40:30.639]
not religious. Off department is[00:40:32.900]
all right. It’s a company. Yeah,[00:40:35.409]
yeah, yeah. You’re making a company wide[00:40:37.639]
decision to to use this. So[00:40:39.820]
it is very interesting because that[00:40:43.099]
make me think of you, Paul, when you said,[00:40:45.369]
you know, we’re trying to reduce[00:40:47.610]
fifteens tax to to[00:40:50.579]
I can imagine that in, you know, in[00:40:52.599]
your setting in university, in a huge[00:40:55.900]
organization[00:40:57.489]
that might not[00:40:59.519]
have bean as easy as it just sounds[00:41:01.789]
right in the year just over a year.[00:41:03.909]
What kind of[00:41:05.190]
things that you run into[00:41:07.730]
when you propose this. Let’s reduce[00:41:10.039]
everything.[00:41:11.210]
What did that look like?[00:41:13.110]
Well, we’re definitely not there yet.[00:41:15.289]
Just the fact that we brought in Minnix has helped[00:41:17.659]
because it gives,[00:41:19.059]
um, not only the central I t department,[00:41:21.510]
but other departments on campus who have development[00:41:23.699]
resource is, and there are a significant number,[00:41:26.710]
an option that is supported by[00:41:28.880]
the whole university instead of just some[00:41:31.210]
open source language of their choice.[00:41:33.940]
The way we got to where we were was because,[00:41:36.300]
um there wasn’t a university[00:41:38.489]
wide platform for people[00:41:40.719]
to use, so they just picked whatever[00:41:42.849]
they could.[00:41:44.030]
They have limited budgets, so they often picked[00:41:46.130]
open source tooling sets and stacks,[00:41:49.219]
and they often pick different ones from each[00:41:51.280]
other. Sometimes[00:41:53.260]
they had students often times they have students[00:41:55.260]
developing on it, which is great.[00:41:57.739]
But the downside to that sometimes is that[00:41:59.789]
if they’re not careful, those students graduate[00:42:01.889]
and then other people[00:42:03.500]
don’t maintain it as well. So the[00:42:05.559]
Central 80 department has to take time to help[00:42:07.570]
fix security vulnerabilities in that type of[00:42:09.639]
thing. So[00:42:12.489]
we’re definitely still in middle of the[00:42:14.539]
process and the journey.[00:42:16.500]
Um,[00:42:17.500]
but medics has proven so[00:42:19.630]
far[00:42:20.750]
to be[00:42:22.099]
a reliable platform and one[00:42:24.119]
that is more productive than you see then[00:42:26.159]
we’ve had in the past. So, so far,[00:42:28.320]
so good. Excellent.[00:42:30.760]
Yeah, and, ah,[00:42:32.889]
I could imagine that if you know,[00:42:34.920]
especially university, you’ll see dozens[00:42:37.349]
and dozens of tools[00:42:39.110]
passed you by every year. You know, they[00:42:41.519]
will pop up left and right, and people like, Hey,[00:42:43.639]
this is the best thing ever. Let’s use[00:42:45.639]
this. How in that jungle?[00:42:48.679]
Exactly. Yeah, how[00:42:50.909]
how that jungle of available[00:42:53.250]
applications and open source tooling.[00:42:55.900]
How did you end up[00:42:57.320]
with medics?[00:42:59.500]
Uh, it took us about[00:43:02.000]
seven months[00:43:03.690]
to[00:43:05.099]
talk to all of Thea.[00:43:06.900]
The big Gartner and Forrester[00:43:09.190]
groups figure out the landscape[00:43:11.900]
we went through a You can look at my[00:43:13.960]
talk for an in depth my other session[00:43:16.119]
in medics world for an in depth discussion of this.[00:43:18.309]
But we[00:43:19.300]
pulled in all the vendors who seemed promising[00:43:21.900]
and asked them to build a nap in front of us[00:43:23.960]
in two hours. That took us three months to build,[00:43:26.230]
or at least most of the app.[00:43:28.099]
Only three of the vendors[00:43:29.570]
could do it in that time while we watched.[00:43:31.900]
So medics was one of them. And then[00:43:33.929]
we Then we tried out each of those three platforms[00:43:36.539]
and eventually decided on Vendex with[00:43:39.099]
a lot of other considerations[00:43:41.190]
on a lot of discussions[00:43:44.050]
inside of BYU. Outside of the way, you[00:43:46.099]
with other people who used the other platforms.[00:43:48.639]
It was[00:43:49.630]
it took a long time,[00:43:51.650]
but I feel like the due diligence[00:43:53.980]
that we did has allowed us to[00:43:56.139]
pick a platform[00:43:57.449]
that will work better[00:43:59.579]
than the other platforms would have. So I would[00:44:01.880]
recommend to anybody who’s looking into[00:44:04.039]
a low code platform. Take the time[00:44:06.110]
yet worlds. I needed to make a[00:44:08.139]
good decision and you won’t be sorry you did,[00:44:10.789]
because it’ll take forever to[00:44:13.190]
switch to another platform. You know,[00:44:15.489]
um, and and rebuild all the applications[00:44:17.900]
that you’re building in it. So[00:44:19.590]
that’s why I’m trying to[00:44:21.690]
Yeah, it’s better to take your time. They go through a rush[00:44:23.780]
job and be sorry[00:44:26.230]
at the at the end here because[00:44:28.460]
I could imagine that it’s ah,[00:44:30.190]
it’s easier to make a quick decision in a[00:44:32.219]
fast moving[00:44:33.590]
industry like this. Ah, age[00:44:35.610]
like this.[00:44:36.789]
Um[00:44:37.789]
So Philip question for[00:44:39.789]
you is e. Guess it’s similar[00:44:42.039]
in such a large organization.[00:44:44.590]
A seaman’s[00:44:46.590]
you said, You know, you just started out and[00:44:48.809]
tried some medic stuff.[00:44:51.260]
Is it? Was it that simple? How[00:44:53.829]
how can you,[00:44:55.139]
in such a huge organization,[00:44:57.590]
get medics[00:44:58.889]
on there and say we’re going to[00:45:00.940]
start up a team?[00:45:02.070]
We’re gonna We’re actually going to be building stuff now[00:45:04.210]
for you guys. How does that[00:45:06.300]
work? I mean, I’m sure it’s more complicated than that.[00:45:09.440]
It’s not that simple, but,[00:45:11.619]
um,[00:45:12.550]
we have one advantage in that is was[00:45:14.619]
sitting at the source because[00:45:17.070]
it is free for us[00:45:18.480]
and we can just start out and I’m in[00:45:20.500]
I t. So we have a lot[00:45:22.639]
of requirements that come our way[00:45:24.590]
and it’s just started out with something simple.[00:45:26.960]
And we knew that this could be done with Bendix,[00:45:29.289]
and we knew we just wanted to try it out, and[00:45:31.380]
in the end we would have been able to[00:45:33.630]
to maintain this this and operate[00:45:35.800]
a single application without any[00:45:37.869]
problems, even if we didn’t[00:45:39.639]
decide from Index to go as[00:45:41.780]
to to go from index as a whole[00:45:43.809]
platform.[00:45:45.250]
And in the end, there’s a huge support[00:45:47.619]
in the company. We have AH Cloud Team who[00:45:49.650]
had takes care of the platform for us, so we don’t[00:45:51.800]
have to take care of anything there. We just[00:45:53.860]
have to order the instance.[00:45:55.590]
We have a nap factory that takes[00:45:57.789]
care off applications for the whole company.[00:46:00.050]
We’re about to build up a nap factory,[00:46:02.389]
not an at factory, but[00:46:03.920]
like a small development team within the business unit.[00:46:06.929]
Um, we can we have access[00:46:09.039]
to resources.[00:46:11.670]
We have people working working[00:46:13.920]
with Mendez for us different[00:46:16.139]
parts of Europe and also in different parts[00:46:18.360]
of Asia.[00:46:19.780]
So there’s a huge support. We have a lot of people[00:46:21.989]
who can work with medics and who can[00:46:24.010]
get started with medics right away.[00:46:26.219]
So that made it easier.[00:46:28.429]
In this case again, the difficult thing is[00:46:30.550]
people because, um,[00:46:33.579]
people in the business, they want to get started with mandates.[00:46:35.880]
And then they see it’s not that simple because[00:46:38.170]
we have some things we need. There[00:46:40.269]
are best practices and you can just started[00:46:42.469]
within five minutes. You have your application.[00:46:44.579]
It’s still going to be faster than with other means.[00:46:47.230]
That is not five minutes,[00:46:48.800]
and then we also have people within I t.[00:46:51.679]
Who have experience in other platforms, and[00:46:53.769]
they’ve been working well with it.[00:46:55.500]
So you get resistance is from all sides,[00:46:58.780]
say the business. They say it’s not[00:47:00.880]
that fast and in I t they say[00:47:02.989]
it’s not as fast as the things we’ve[00:47:05.070]
been working with. Why should I re skill?[00:47:07.929]
Right, Right. So[00:47:09.880]
the support from the top management helped[00:47:12.070]
and just keeping on,[00:47:14.150]
um, convincing people in trusting[00:47:16.550]
people that they can do it and that they can[00:47:19.280]
um, develop abstinent themselves.[00:47:22.190]
That helped to just[00:47:24.280]
come close to critical mass because at some[00:47:26.480]
point, people cannot ignore[00:47:28.500]
it anymore. If you have, like, 100 citizen[00:47:30.809]
developers somewhere just sitting and you can’t[00:47:33.170]
support them because you don’t have to capacities[00:47:35.409]
within i t.[00:47:36.780]
And that makes it easier at some point for[00:47:38.820]
people to just say Okay, just do it.[00:47:40.880]
Keep going with Bendix. You’re right here on[00:47:42.980]
the right trick.[00:47:44.280]
So for sure. Yeah, it took[00:47:46.429]
a lot of perseverance that took a lot off[00:47:49.480]
time and convincing on all sides,[00:47:51.849]
but you had to just[00:47:54.380]
stick to it. Just just keep going.[00:47:57.480]
Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, it’s[00:47:59.639]
paying off, right? So that people are seeing the[00:48:01.670]
results.[00:48:02.869]
Um, it’s[00:48:04.889]
kind of funny, I think. Two years ago,[00:48:07.170]
I did an interview with,[00:48:09.769]
um someone who used to be a nab[00:48:12.039]
up developer for 13 years,[00:48:14.079]
right Recipe. Abbott[00:48:15.570]
and, um,[00:48:17.570]
he switched the men dicks, and he[00:48:19.840]
was over the moon[00:48:21.050]
like Wow, didn’t I didn’t know stuff could be[00:48:23.159]
this easy.[00:48:24.199]
Um, now,[00:48:26.170]
one of the questions I asked him was,[00:48:28.369]
What is the best way to,[00:48:30.969]
uh, tell a programmer[00:48:33.719]
about medics[00:48:35.130]
why you are using medics and way he[00:48:37.239]
should check it out. And he said, I[00:48:39.630]
don’t tell them.[00:48:40.869]
I show them,[00:48:42.769]
you know, show, build something quickly[00:48:45.099]
or screen share and build something together[00:48:48.070]
and make it click, you know, And that’s[00:48:50.710]
that’s what convinces most people like.[00:48:53.369]
No, if they hear it, this is not It[00:48:55.630]
can’t be true. It can’t be true. It’s too fast.[00:48:57.780]
It sounds too good to be true. So it’s probably not[00:48:59.829]
true. But when you show them all[00:49:01.880]
of a sudden there like[00:49:03.469]
wait a minute, really? Oh,[00:49:05.900]
and then they’re like, Hey, but what about[00:49:07.969]
this and this and this? And can I do this? And[00:49:10.219]
that’s when they start thinking impossibilities instead[00:49:12.420]
of limitations.[00:49:14.309]
Um, so that’s Ah,[00:49:16.380]
yeah, Interesting. Developers are are[00:49:19.170]
naturally skeptical,[00:49:21.199]
too high productivity platforms because[00:49:23.449]
there been so many failed attempts in the past.[00:49:26.170]
So many things like cogeneration,[00:49:28.610]
their fourth generation programming languages,[00:49:31.369]
lots of things that were like flavor[00:49:33.639]
of the month.[00:49:34.570]
And they just didn’t pan out[00:49:36.869]
minutes was the first one in my, in[00:49:38.869]
my[00:49:39.670]
opinion, that actually[00:49:42.670]
delivered on what the promise was, you know,[00:49:44.699]
to really speed you up.[00:49:46.469]
Yeah, so Ah, nor I’m[00:49:48.710]
just interested in your side as[00:49:50.780]
well. You have a BPM[00:49:52.809]
background. Uh, we’ve talked[00:49:55.050]
about that before because I I also come[00:49:57.079]
from her BPM background. They both[00:49:59.150]
switched about 45 years to ah,[00:50:01.400]
go to low code.[00:50:03.460]
Um,[00:50:05.480]
I’m very curious. Just from[00:50:07.679]
your perspective. Why you think that?[00:50:10.360]
You know, as Paul said,[00:50:11.960]
men Dicks was able to[00:50:14.309]
deliver on that. What was it[00:50:16.449]
that you convinced you That[00:50:18.260]
this platform does work in this attempt[00:50:20.789]
Israel, and not just,[00:50:23.130]
you know, and on the side project that[00:50:25.219]
will fade away in two or three years.[00:50:27.960]
Yeah. Eso[00:50:30.400]
Now[00:50:31.300]
this is I think it’s a destiny[00:50:33.360]
that I came across Mondex. I[00:50:35.449]
was not planning.[00:50:37.260]
Um[00:50:39.559]
I even was thinking to change. Maybe[00:50:41.670]
my career healthcare path[00:50:43.900]
from BBM to another thing is not[00:50:46.190]
local but[00:50:48.860]
of our roads. Me anniversary[00:50:51.130]
crossed together,[00:50:52.960]
so[00:50:54.010]
I thought, Yeah, this took Let’s[00:50:56.079]
take a chance. I’m see how[00:50:59.400]
the capabilities of index and what we can do[00:51:01.579]
and what we can leverage.[00:51:03.530]
Um I loved it. It’s[00:51:06.070]
Ah, it’s Ah is[00:51:08.289]
the city is I have the mind set[00:51:10.670]
off ppm and low code, so[00:51:12.760]
it’s just needed to switch my mind[00:51:15.269]
to Mike[00:51:16.960]
and in the future, inside me. Index. So that’s[00:51:18.969]
what something I need to discover how to do[00:51:21.039]
things and my index that I couldn’t[00:51:23.159]
imagine my my head[00:51:25.210]
in different way on.[00:51:27.380]
That’s Ah[00:51:28.800]
and the experience. Also, it’s[00:51:30.900]
different.[00:51:31.869]
So previously before a fair trial, I[00:51:34.780]
didn’t work[00:51:36.059]
on integration that much, not because[00:51:39.159]
the other blood phone does not provide. But[00:51:41.179]
the companies that I worked with[00:51:43.460]
didn’t like. Leverage, maybe[00:51:45.739]
more integration more.[00:51:47.809]
Um uh, something[00:51:49.849]
excited. So it’s excited[00:51:51.969]
because that’s[00:51:53.760]
it’s the in six[00:51:55.789]
years I learned the process. Model language[00:51:57.969]
is the thing that[00:51:59.429]
I can now imagine how things[00:52:01.630]
it could be from a to Zed. I’m[00:52:05.449]
I’m not,[00:52:06.449]
I believe, with a user story with joy. But[00:52:09.300]
in my mind, I need to understand the process[00:52:11.369]
from A to Zed[00:52:12.530]
like if there is seven, process several[00:52:14.630]
steps I need to understand before dealing[00:52:16.840]
with the user story.[00:52:18.250]
To me, the journey mob off[00:52:21.320]
1[00:52:22.480]
to 7[00:52:24.250]
so I can know what is the output, how[00:52:26.429]
I can imagine it. So this is[00:52:28.440]
something[00:52:30.449]
a great on the that’s[00:52:32.579]
also will add to[00:52:34.250]
the code on my index said[00:52:36.349]
that people didn’t want me. They only be[00:52:38.460]
young. Now work flows with them[00:52:40.639]
that experience[00:52:42.090]
to see things[00:52:43.389]
delivering their insight on things, how[00:52:45.460]
it should work.[00:52:46.750]
Um,[00:52:47.989]
so in a very try had,[00:52:50.289]
like, rhetorical interrogation[00:52:52.750]
is a P eyes[00:52:54.820]
in this, um integration[00:52:57.360]
email.[00:52:58.750]
Um,[00:53:00.050]
inboard pdf syndicate[00:53:02.289]
with the bills. PD off[00:53:05.050]
like a lot off integration happened in[00:53:07.150]
the three years[00:53:08.389]
that it waas[00:53:10.500]
just[00:53:11.619]
working on encryption with when I want[00:53:13.639]
to create an FBI or I want[00:53:15.639]
to provide for a client or they[00:53:17.800]
want to provide many FBI. So the[00:53:19.809]
encryption. But I didn’t work with it before. Now[00:53:22.440]
I can’t like it’s just[00:53:25.030]
getting experience in[00:53:27.150]
in a way that is not stopping to[00:53:29.239]
know.[00:53:30.150]
So I’m looking for or there I’m[00:53:32.530]
looking forward[00:53:34.050]
with[00:53:35.340]
the way[00:53:36.690]
like the learning path would never[00:53:38.730]
end. Now you know something in index,[00:53:41.659]
maybe you will face something in index[00:53:43.710]
that you didn’t work on before. Which happened.[00:53:46.070]
The lady and you discover[00:53:48.329]
how to work with that. So it’s all[00:53:50.510]
always[00:53:51.469]
giving you[00:53:53.050]
expand your insight on development, how[00:53:55.239]
you can make things maybe last year were making[00:53:57.559]
things different in what you are doing it this[00:53:59.800]
year. So a defense on the[00:54:01.880]
risk that you are gaining. So[00:54:04.139]
yeah, absolutely. And[00:54:06.570]
you know, so far, medics has[00:54:08.570]
been able to help you answer and solve[00:54:10.860]
all of those problem every step of the way, right?[00:54:13.340]
And so we keep evolving like that.[00:54:15.869]
Um, and I have a question[00:54:18.280]
for you guys. Um,[00:54:21.440]
did you hear? Ah,[00:54:23.590]
do one of you hear something from another presenter[00:54:27.010]
that you would like to follow up on.[00:54:31.639]
So what would you What would you ask each other[00:54:34.340]
about your different use cases[00:54:36.389]
or your different situations?[00:54:41.570]
Now it sounds like I’m giving away my moderator[00:54:43.570]
role to someone else. That’s fine.[00:54:45.659]
Um,[00:54:46.940]
maybe in our little chat before our[00:54:49.320]
before the actual[00:54:50.579]
life stream[00:54:52.219]
and durable, you said[00:54:54.079]
that you[00:54:55.599]
enjoy data integration.[00:54:58.440]
I think you’re pretty alone with that. I’m[00:55:00.960]
not sure how to do that. How do I find[00:55:03.019]
joy and data integration? Because this is a pain.[00:55:06.440]
It’s like a puzzle for me.[00:55:09.630]
I love Brussels as, um[00:55:12.039]
um, yeah, I like to know[00:55:14.050]
how to integrate the FBI and also[00:55:16.460]
how the plants want want[00:55:18.590]
to provide him? The FBI doing the encryption[00:55:20.940]
is something. It’s a bezel, so[00:55:23.179]
it’s[00:55:24.260]
sometimes I can spend.[00:55:26.409]
And that’s another time spending all night[00:55:28.630]
just to solve a problem.[00:55:30.889]
That not because I have to[00:55:33.340]
but because I just I think[00:55:35.760]
in the problem that I need so[00:55:37.969]
and I lose track of time,[00:55:40.239]
Um, on just just something[00:55:42.510]
ah,[00:55:43.780]
and enjoy. I know it’s hard for people,[00:55:46.050]
but I told him maybe I’m a person[00:55:48.199]
like I like the hard stuff. But[00:55:50.420]
I like to know the insight[00:55:52.889]
off the integration and how should[00:55:54.909]
work. Maybe you will have 20[00:55:58.500]
operation and one was[00:56:00.539]
deal. So how you want to integrate that? What[00:56:02.690]
you need to integrate. What is the response?[00:56:05.230]
All of that? It’s something, um,[00:56:07.789]
excited. Also in our[00:56:10.110]
project, off products were[00:56:13.059]
we are also[00:56:15.039]
busy, bee partner, and we have our packages.[00:56:18.030]
Ah, with the our blood product[00:56:20.369]
on, we can show that people. So the plan[00:56:22.469]
for a kill database all of that.[00:56:24.829]
So we built something that it could[00:56:27.010]
be. We can change the base layer off the back[00:56:29.170]
in to be integrated with the client[00:56:31.449]
like we can change the future[00:56:33.760]
to be from technical perspective, let’s say[00:56:35.840]
on the product, like if now is a B,[00:56:38.050]
we need to connect it to[00:56:39.780]
a database. SQL. So it took us[00:56:41.940]
3 to 4 days just to reuse[00:56:44.440]
on to create another moment a model with a database[00:56:46.699]
connector and[00:56:48.110]
to reuse all off mapping that we need[00:56:50.530]
on from technical, the future are gone.[00:56:52.690]
Now we are waiting the business to give us what’s[00:56:54.690]
need to be different.[00:56:56.130]
So, uh,[00:56:57.679]
on its integration connectivity,[00:56:59.989]
sometimes the connectivity will give you a headache.[00:57:02.340]
But, uh, well, you’re really[00:57:04.550]
passionate about it, that’s for sure. I think[00:57:07.510]
this is actually this is how,[00:57:10.030]
um this is my[00:57:11.699]
I’m bashing it. This is something.[00:57:13.860]
Yeah, Well, im[00:57:16.579]
now you may work. Some people,[00:57:18.949]
they may work on something not[00:57:21.079]
because they want, but they have to[00:57:23.119]
like it’s dropped the phone.[00:57:25.030]
Eso I consider myself one[00:57:27.030]
off the lucky as people that I’m[00:57:29.130]
working with, something I love,[00:57:30.719]
like not something I don’t like.[00:57:32.980]
It’s something I’m passionate about. I[00:57:35.030]
want to expand me and my team and[00:57:37.090]
the company and the brother.[00:57:38.789]
So, in all that levels, um[00:57:41.630]
on the bashing is the thing that’s[00:57:43.719]
keep us moving enough. If you don’t have[00:57:45.889]
passion on something, okay, you will work[00:57:48.530]
whatsoever. But[00:57:50.070]
at the end, it’s It’s good to have. The[00:57:52.159]
passion on daikon is everyone. If you don’t[00:57:54.300]
have the brushing mouth when what you do, just[00:57:56.750]
try to find it. Find your passion.[00:57:58.820]
It’s a love that I think that’s a That’s[00:58:00.929]
a great I think it’s a great message[00:58:03.030]
now to ah, close[00:58:05.039]
off. Um, we introduced[00:58:07.920]
20 new features in minutes nine.[00:58:10.320]
Ah, what is one[00:58:12.320]
thing that you didn’t see that you would love to see[00:58:14.559]
in medics? 10.[00:58:17.420]
Paul. I would love to see Blue[00:58:19.619]
Green deployments on medics Cloud[00:58:21.929]
zero downtime, deployments. I know it’s on the road[00:58:24.039]
map. We already saw that from the ask me[00:58:26.039]
anything Question sessions. So[00:58:28.489]
super excited about that.[00:58:30.320]
Awesome.[00:58:31.219]
But what? You Philip,[00:58:33.139]
I’d really enjoy more medics assist[00:58:35.380]
features[00:58:36.719]
because we have so many citizen developers[00:58:39.099]
coming up and we need every help we can get.[00:58:41.510]
And if men exorcists can help us with[00:58:43.630]
that, then that’d be great.[00:58:46.489]
Excellent. What were you ignore?[00:58:48.980]
Well, um,[00:58:50.420]
since I’m still not the hands on work flows,[00:58:52.920]
but so that would be[00:58:54.989]
my my thing. But I think that mood will[00:58:57.070]
be fun will be good. I’m I’m[00:58:59.179]
a dark mood person like on my old devices.[00:59:01.980]
So that would be something to have[00:59:05.550]
have the modular[00:59:07.630]
dark mood. That will be good thing.[00:59:10.090]
Excellent.[00:59:11.130]
I think it sounds great. And if you guys[00:59:13.480]
can give[00:59:14.619]
one piece of advice through the developers[00:59:16.670]
who were watching this, what would that be?[00:59:23.119]
Who wants to start?[00:59:25.130]
Ugo, Go, go ahead.[00:59:27.920]
And to me it is, um, get close[00:59:29.960]
to the customer,[00:59:31.219]
try to understand him and not only the requirements,[00:59:33.730]
but also him as a person. How he communicates[00:59:36.250]
what he wants to tell you, because sometimes[00:59:38.280]
he doesn’t know. She doesn’t know[00:59:41.619]
what they want that sometimes they don’t[00:59:43.630]
know what’s best for them. So[00:59:45.519]
get to understand the problem and not[00:59:47.590]
the requirements.[00:59:50.420]
My my advice would be[00:59:52.719]
connect with people, um,[00:59:55.119]
developers air, sometimes introverted by nature,[00:59:57.280]
and often[00:59:58.719]
try to singer, you know, isolate[01:00:01.019]
themselves, but[01:00:02.699]
including myself.[01:00:03.940]
But if you connect to your users, if you connect to other[01:00:06.070]
developers who’ve been down, like if you haven’t[01:00:08.230]
done minutes before, connect with other men. Dicks[01:00:10.269]
users to understand the platform.[01:00:12.409]
Um, it helps do it in whatever[01:00:14.500]
way is comfortable for you.[01:00:17.110]
Excellent.[01:00:18.010]
Right to close off. Nor what is your[01:00:20.199]
one piece of advice? Um,[01:00:23.369]
you don’t just build. Think about[01:00:25.539]
what you’re building. If[01:00:27.349]
that sometimes the requirement, it[01:00:29.989]
could be enhanced in different way. So[01:00:32.130]
creativity is[01:00:33.639]
don’t Don’t just be[01:00:35.670]
it for B o. Um, but[01:00:38.050]
your mind Give advice.[01:00:40.420]
Expand your skills on the passion.[01:00:43.489]
Watch what you’re doing. Yeah, find your passion[01:00:46.280]
on your rash is exactly[01:00:48.610]
so with that, we conclude the fireside[01:00:50.969]
chat. I want to thank Paul Philip[01:00:53.150]
and nor for joining us live and sharing[01:00:55.380]
their vision on all the announcements[01:00:57.579]
and what is important for developers and[01:00:59.699]
especially[01:01:00.639]
in which context.[01:01:02.900]
So thank you all for watching. Thank you[01:01:04.960]
for submitting your questions.[01:01:06.710]
I hope you’ve enjoyed medics world[01:01:08.949]
two point. Oh, as much as I have as[01:01:10.960]
much is that we have[01:01:12.849]
and we hope you’ll watch a lot more videos[01:01:15.369]
after the live session. The website will[01:01:17.389]
be up for a long time. So you[01:01:19.670]
you have a chance to watch everything at[01:01:21.989]
your own pace.[01:01:23.199]
And with that,[01:01:24.210]
thank you for joining. And ah,[01:01:26.440]
see you next time.[01:01:29.110]
Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Thanks.